Country Crossing rally brings stars to Dothan
Jaime Foxx
A weekend rally to show support for Country Crossing will bring NFL stars, an Academy Award-winning actor and various country music entertainers to Dothan in what Ronnie Gilley is calling a mini BamaJam concert.
And it’s all free.
Oscar winning actor, comedian, and singer Jamie Foxx, country music legend Travis Tritt, recent Kennedy Center honoree George Jones and country music newcomer Jake Owen are all expected to take the stage during the 3 p.m. rally Saturday at Rip Hewes Stadium.
Tritt is expected to give a lengthy concert, based on his repertoire of hits. Owen, whose debut album in 2006 produced three hits, will also perform. Gilley said supporters can expect a “special surprise” Saturday from Foxx, which could include his singing of his current hit “Just Like Me.”
Gilley, who first proposed Country Crossing last February, has organized the rally after Gov. Bob Riley put together an anti-gambling task force that will look at the legality of electronic charitable bingo. Country Crossing is multi-million dollar country music entertainment complex with a bingo hall. It is being built on U.S. 231 south of Dothan.
“What we hope this rally accomplishes is a show of a united front,” Gilley said Tuesday. “People are coming together to support a great project. These are people from all demographics, rich and poor – a true representation of the community.
“With what has happened nationally with last year’s presidential election, people obviously want change. We want a broad audience Saturday and Jamie Foxx pulls from a broad demographic.”
Gates will open at 2:30 p.m.
Gilley Enterprises vice president of operations Billy Graham met with Dothan police and the fire marshal Tuesday, as the group sought to find the most accommodating spot for the rally. Originally, the plan was to have the rally at the Dothan Civic Center, but the facility is hosting the Dothan Eagle Bridal Show on Sunday and vendors and sponsors use Saturday to set up.
Graham said the stadium ends up being a better site anyway because it can accommodate more people. While the seating capacity at Rip Hewes is estimated at about 10,000, opening up he field puts the maximum capacity at close to 20,000, Graham said.
“We will allow as many people in as we can get in,” Gilley said.
Extra security is being provided and no tickets are being issued. Gilley said there will be a special reserved section for “supporters who have been with us from day one.”
In order to get the attention of the governor and members of the Legislature who could be faced with a bingo vote in the future, Gilley said he did consider having the rally in the Montgomery area, but decided against it.
“It’s a different environment up there and we didn’t want the governor to dig his heels in. This is a show of community support,” he said.
The only unknown factor is the weather. Current National Weather Service forecasts call for sunny skies and a high of 68 degrees.
“I would be real shocked if we didn’t pack the place out,” Graham said.
Washington Redskins tackle Cornelius Griffin, a two-time All American for the University of Alabama, will also be on hand. Other NFL starters who are not involved in playoff games, and are friends with Foxx, may also attend, Graham said.
There will also be concessions for the event, provided by the City of Dothan’s Department of Leisure Services.
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The study talks, “Measuring “Leakage Prevention” The procedure described above eliminates any economic impact from casino spending by Louisiana residents. However, some Louisiana residents would gamble even if there were no casinos in Louisiana. Trips to casinos outside Louisiana would create a leakage from the Louisiana economy. This creates an additional channel for Louisiana’s casinos to impact the state’s economy by preventing this leakage to other states.” The study tries to measure this but has no established baseline to do so, so it stumbles there. Some use that argument in Alabama to get gaming here but can’t produce numbers because of no established baseline here either.
The study uses a lot of multipliers or what you might call extrapolating techniques to adjust their figures. This is very dangerous and is easily skewed when not including all effects on the regional economy and household receipt and expenditures.
The study said that the Casino’s were responsible for a 5,662-job boost from capital expenditures. The term “boost” means that is was not permanent and the graphs clearly show that there was a marked decrease after the initial excitement. I don’t see but maybe 50 jobs in the CC Bingo Hall and that is being optimistic. Over the 12-month period from December 2003 to December 2004 total non-farm employment in the entire state increased by only 5,600 jobs but these are jobs that produce something or provide a service which are not compatible when comparing to casino jobs that produce nor service anything and are simply an intake of economic resources.
Some Casinos also went bankrupt but they did not include the losses in the study from the bankruptcies. When anyone goes bankrupt in business whether it is restructuring or Chapter 7 money is lost, and on usually a grand scale. Would have been nice to see the study list that to give a more accurate picture.
The study breaks down the economic factors by “Business Sales” “Household Earnings” “Employment” but I find it odd that they don’t talk anywhere in here about what the companies themselves make which would allow me to see overall how much money is taken out of the local and state economy when compared to the above listed expenditures.
Since I’m limited on space and time I’ll jump to the biggest thing that stands out, they don’t even try to give the impact negatives like the following:
• Data is starting to show that problem gambling is becoming a consequence of Casinos and Legalized Gambling. “The study, conducted by the Picard Center for Child Development at the University of Louisiana-Lafayette, is intended to compare and contrast various degrees of gambling activity throughout the state to determine if gambling is spread statewide or concentrated in specific areas.” See the 2008 article on the most recent study in Louisiana. http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/128429.php
• External and internal Costs were not even touched on. Here you will find a Study developed for and funded by the Louisiana Legislature in the 1998 Fiscal Session to determine the economic impact of gambling on Louisiana. A consortium of researchers, led by Drs. Timothy P. Ryan and Janet F. Speyrer of the University of New Orleans, prepared a report for the Louisiana Gaming Control Board. http://business.uno.edu/dber/gambling1998/GRC5R.pdf
• And in conclusion the study talk about the boom being short lived and will decline over time as costs increase. Sorry I can’t paste it since it is a protected study but you may read it here. http://business.uno.edu/dber/gambling1998/GRC6R.pdf
We really need the study to include the positive and the negative to get an accurate picture of what is occurring. The study you cited does not even show where they got most of their information although I can guess and some is listed in the document but I see no bibliography. This study is far from a complete study.
Great job HDK, I’ll answer this but it will be in parts since it is a fairly long study to read and break down but I’ll hit the high points for you.
I’ve looked at the consulting firm that did the study and they seem to be solid with good leadership. Dr. Loren C. Scott is no slouch, but let us look at his report and dissect the excerpts you used.
Who paid for the Study?
• For the Casino Association of Louisiana, and in association with the following Chambers of Commerce and other entities who have encouraged the awarding of this study and agreed to provide data and in-kind services to the researchers on request:
• Greater Shreveport Chamber of Commerce
• Greater Bossier Economic Development Foundation
• Shreveport-Bossier Convention and Tourist Bureau
• Minden-South Webster Chamber of Commerce
• Bossier Chamber of Commerce
• Jeff Davis Chamber of Commerce
• Natchitoches Chamber of Commerce
• Sabine Parish Chamber of Commerce
• South West Louisiana Partnership for Economic Development
The one listed at the top usually is the one that pays the most. So we know it will be a pro-gambling study, but that is okay every study has a bit of bias.
What is an input-output table? Actually is considered a part of input-output economics developed by Wassily Leontief. The core input-output table reports only intermediate goods and services that are exchanged among industries, not all that great to depend on solely or in part for a Gambling impact study in a certain region. But hey, he does use a few other models. I’ll give you and him the benefit of the doubt on his technique.
No quarrel with the data that represents capital investment or expenditures in the study, most likely government resources gathered this information. But remember that a 1000 to 1500 electronic style Bingo machines will not bring in the millions that the following fully fledged casinos bring in but it will still be nothing to scoff at.
Boomtown 10/04/96 Shreveport/Bossier
Sam’s Town 04/18/94 Shreveport/Bossier
Hollywood 12/20/00 Shreveport/Bossier
Horseshoe 07/09/94 Shreveport/Bossier
Isle of Capri 05/20/94 Shreveport/Bossier
Grand Palais 07/12/96 Lake Charles
Isle of Capri 07/29/95 Lake Charles
Harrahs Pride 12/08/93 Lake Charles
Harrahs Star 10/24/93 Lake Charles
Bally’s 07/07/95 New Orleans
Boomtown 08/06/94 New Orleans
Treasure Chest 09/05/94 New Orleans
Argosy 09/30/94 Baton Rouge
Casino Rouge 12/28/94 Baton Rouge
L’Auberge Du Lac May/05 Lake Charles TBA
Harrahs Land-Based 10/26/99* New Orleans
The Southwest Louisiana gaming market consists of four major segments:
(1) Local gamblers who live within 50 miles of a casino.
(2) “Day-trippers” who drive between 50 miles and 200 miles to visit a casino and return the same day.
(3) Stop-off traffic from Interstate 10.
(4) Destination gamblers who come to the area solely for the purpose of gambling and spend at least one night in a local hotel or motel.
Each segment responds to different variables and each has a different potential for growth. For example, in Southwest Louisiana the market for local gamblers is already saturated and its future growth will depend on the strength of the local economy rather than the number of casinos in the area. Similarly, the number of travelers stopping off at a casino is largely a function of the traffic on Interstate 10. “Day-tripper” patronage, on the other hand, is affected by the distance to a casino as well as marketing efforts while the patronage of destination gamblers depends on the availability and price of local hotel rooms as well as local features, attractions and amenities.
I just cant get out of my mind why 6-8 million people from nothern states drive THRU Alabama to the Florida gulf coast annually. Theres no reason to stop in Alabama but for gas and maybe a burger and a soda. Imagine they may stop for 2 or 3 days. I think thats enough reason to figure out a solution to all of this.
Jkolman, toobad, and doctort, since you feel the way you do about electronic bingo, just don’t go. It is your right not to participate. I’m sure nobody will twist any of your arms to take part.
Okay DoctorT, let’s start with a report instigated by several municipalities in Louisiana. I have included a very small portion below. The link:
www.casinosoflouisiana.com/pdf/EconomicImpactReport2005.pdf
An excerpt:
We also used input-output tables to estimate the impact of on-going operations at
these casinos on the MSA in which they are located. With regard to these regional
impacts we found the following impacts in FY04:
• Casinos in the Shreveport/Bossier region created (1) $1.6 billion in business sales,
(2) $465.3 million in household earnings, and (3) 20,404 jobs in the MSA.
• Casinos in the Lake Charles region created (1) $525 million in business sales, (2)
$141.1 million in household earnings, and (3) 6,278 jobs in the MSA
• Harrahs land-based casino created (1) $506.4 million in business sales, (2) $148.3
million in household earnings, and (3) 6,464 jobs in the MSA.
• New Orleans riverboat casinos created (1) $241.4 million in business sales, (2)
$69.5 million in household earnings, and (3) 2,782 jobs in the MSA.
• Casinos in the Baton Rouge region created (1) $148.9 million in business sales,
(2) $43.5 million in household earnings, and (3) 1,802 jobs in the MSA.
In addition to the impact of on-going operations at the casinos, we also estimated
the impact of capital expenditures by these firms. Since they began operating in the state,
these facilities have spent over $2.8 billion on capital in Louisiana. In FY04 alone,
these firms injected $246.2 million in capital spending into the Louisiana economy. By
way of reference, the new Union Tank Car Company will spend $100 million on their
new plant in Alexandria.
If you are ashamed that you live near Dothan,“makitaman” you coluld always move to somewhere that you wouldn’t be ashamed of. Say the Middle East
HDK,
I believe if you look at the anti posts you will see that even they are for the CC project just not the Gambling aspect.
I would encourage you to use yahoo and Google to get some resources to back up your argument. It is a method accepted in academia and is considered by researchers as the “new library of research”. Don¡¦t be so close minded.
Of course I¡¦ll back up my argument with studies and references that are anti-gambling because I believe in the research.
Don¡¦t worry, I won¡¦t attack you personally just your theory. ƒº
I do have to say this why our governor who been in office 6 yrs will just out the blue say bingo is illegal something fishy going on and it have Mississippi written all over I wonder if it was true about the governor receiving 2.5 million from Mississippi gambling venues…to end bingo in the Alabama ...seen like to me the governor just want a piece of the action or Mississippi trying take what is ours I mean just after the governor said that Mississippi absolutely have no problem taking CC go figure.
DoctorT, my argument comes from the fact that many people have stated higher crime as a reason not to have bingo at CC. But the reality is, a Walmart stores building in our area bring a much higher crime rate than a casino, so no, we aren’t comparing apples to oranges. BTW, last time I went to Walmart they had an armed security guard walking around.
As for debating, you simply don’t want to hear any opinion other than your own. You post “facts” from anti-gambling groups and expect everyone to dispute them. Simply put, you are being naive to believe it just because you did a Google search and found something to reinforce your point. I can do the same thing and we can have this endless debate that proves absolutely nothing.
My point about all of this is this: Bingo is not the reason for CC, entertainment is. But bingo is the economic driver that allows for this project to be built. Without bingo, there will not be a COuntry Crossing, which I truly believe is what you REALLY want. So my question to you is this. Why do you want our area to be stuck with low growth and few opportunities? When will the naysayers step forward and offer an alternative to CC? When can I expect to read about other local industries going on a hiring spree for our citizens? When can I expect to live in a place rule by the majority instead of the righteous minority? When?
HDK,
Not sure where your argument is coming from in comparing Wal-Mart to a Bingo Gambling Hall.
In gambling Halls and Casinos I’ve personally seen they have Armed Guards around every corner and Wal-Mart doesn’t. I fear you may be stretching to compare apples to oranges.
I’m getting the feeling that no one can or is willing to find any pro-gambling information to debate.


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